So you're in a relationship, and it's overall a pretty good one. You're happy most of the time, you get along fairly well, you have lots of things in common, you have fun together. Then you hit... well, at the time, it feels like a brick wall. Something where your approach to life or your emotional requirements are totally opposite. This is going to differ from relationship to relationship, but here's a few random examples:
- You don't want kids and your partner does
- You need space when you're angry and your partner needs to be cuddled and reassured
- You spend every $holiday with your family, it's a really big deal, and your partner wants the two of you to spend it with their family or alone.
What do you do?
There are three options, really: compromise, capitulation, or closure.
Compromise
Compromise is the art of giving something up to get something you want. In order to achieve compromise, you both have to want to reach a solution that makes both people happy (or at least less unhappy). You both have to be willing to give things up. Compromise generally means that nobody gets exactly what they want, but it's close enough to be reasonable.
To approach a compromise, you can say things like, "I would like X to happen. I know you want something else, but this is very important to me. I'm willing to offer a concession of Y." Then your partner, ideally, would say something like, "I appreciate your willingness to compromise, and I understand that X is important to you. Y is a good concession. I would be willing to concede Z." Only less like they swallowed a textbook.
A compromise on the holiday issue, of course, would be spending this $holiday with your family, and next with theirs. We Americans are fortunate in that we have two major holidays within a couple of months of each other, so you could spend Thanksgiving with her family and Yule with yours, or Thanksgiving with your family and order Chinese on Christmas, or you could spend Christmas with your family and she could spend it with hers, and postpone the discussion for another year. OR if your partner wants to spend a holiday with "just you," you could pick another day to celebrate. I'm spending Christmas in Las Vegas with my mom, so![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
finch and I are celebrating Epiphany this year.
Capitulation
Capitulation is, quite simply, letting one person's preference stand. This is not the recommended approach to negotiating a relationship in general, but if it's really important to your partner, and you're willing to give them what they want, you can occasionally do this. Just make sure that you're not the only one giving all the time.
Kids are a big issue to use as an example for this, but if it's a situation where your partner has dreamed about being a parent for their entire life, and you never really thought about having kids, but you don't hate the idea of it, then capitulation might be an acceptable thing to do. Within a capitulation, the person getting their way could offer concessions to make the victory less painful for the other person - for example, waiting to have children until you've finished school, or you've saved up a specific amount of money, or you've bought a house. However, make sure the concession isn't open-ended. When I was married, I did plan on having children, but he "wasn't ready yet." I said was willing to wait until he was ready - but that day never came. His unwillingness to put concrete limits on my concession was one of the things that doomed our relationship. So if you're waiting to finish school, make sure you stay on track to graduate! If you're saving money, make sure that savings plan is a priority (or you give each other a time limit). If you're buying a house first, decide when that's going to happen.
If you are capitulating, there are a few things that need to be handled to make sure it's a graceful "surrender." First of all, make sure that you're willing to do it. Don't capitulate because you're tired and you don't want to have this argument (again), if you're going to be resentful. When your toddler gets kicked out of preschool for fighting, you don't get to say, "Well, I never wanted to have kids in the first place!" With capitulation, you've forfeited the right to "I told you so." Second of all, if you're the one who is being capitulated to, be a gracious winner. Please save your victory dances for later, behind a closed door where your partner can't see them. Also, if your partner has capitulated to you, make sure you repay the favor next time. You can also be extra-nice to them! Take them out to dinner, buy them flowers (or a video game, or Belgian chocolate, or whatever); do the special little things that make them feel loved - make sure that they know how much you appreciate what they've done, and make the experience pleasant enough that they're willing to do it again.
Closure
You've hit that brick wall, and you can't capitulate and they won't compromise (or vice versa). You're standing on completely opposite sides of a gap that feels like it's the size of the Grand Canyon. Every time you have a fight, you have a secondary fight because you need space to calm down and think and they need to be comforted and reassured that you still love them. You've tried everything, and you can't reach a compromise and neither of you is willing to capitulate. Maybe you've even tried counseling, but it comes down to a basic truth: this problem just isn't going to get solved.
If you can't live with the problem, this is the point where you start figuring out the most efficient way to cut your losses, you divide things up with consideration and courtesy, and you go your separate ways. Because a major issue that can't be resolved is not going to magically go away, and it isn't going to fix itself. Changing the way you process an emotion is a long, difficult task, and so long as the coping mechanisms you've developed to handle your anger or distress aren't causing direct harm to yourself or others, then it's probably not going to change.
"But Amber," you protest, "this is the love of my life!"
No, it isn't. For one thing, there is no single "love of your life;" that's a myth perpetuated bythe people who sell diamonds society. You're a whole person all by yourself, you don't need someone else to be happy. For another thing, if he were genuinely the love of your life (and vice versa), you'd be able to reach a compromise, because causing him distress would distress you enough to work through it (and again, vice versa). This is not to say that happy couples don't have disagreements, because they do. Happy couples fight, because resources are not infinite, and people don't always want exactly the same things. Miscommunications happen. Some couples enjoy shouting matches, or intense intellectual debates.
One of the communication problems I had with the ex would happen when I disagreed with her about some topic, and I would engage in what I considered to be a perfectly reasonable discussion about it, and she'd demand why I was fighting with her. Or being mean to her. As far as I was concerned, I wasn't doing either, and it always startled me when she described our discussion as a "fight." We would end up having a fight about whether we were fighting. The ways in which we communicated were not compatible. The only good solution was to end the relationship and look for closure. And now, armed with that experience and the resulting knowledge about myself, I know I need to be in a relationship with someone who won't mistake intellectual debate for emotional disagreement.
It's possible to have a functioning relationship with an unresolved difference, but not if it's a difference that you trip over regularly, and not if it's one you can't come to a compromise on. If your partner's religious and you're not, and you spend Sunday mornings in bed while he goes to church, that's a perfectly fine compromise - until he decides that it means that you're going to hell if you don't come too. A person who wants to be a parent and a person who's childfree can date, but they probably shouldn't get married. And a person who needs to hear about what they're partner is thinking all the time shouldn't date Squall Leonhart.
- You don't want kids and your partner does
- You need space when you're angry and your partner needs to be cuddled and reassured
- You spend every $holiday with your family, it's a really big deal, and your partner wants the two of you to spend it with their family or alone.
What do you do?
There are three options, really: compromise, capitulation, or closure.
Compromise
Compromise is the art of giving something up to get something you want. In order to achieve compromise, you both have to want to reach a solution that makes both people happy (or at least less unhappy). You both have to be willing to give things up. Compromise generally means that nobody gets exactly what they want, but it's close enough to be reasonable.
To approach a compromise, you can say things like, "I would like X to happen. I know you want something else, but this is very important to me. I'm willing to offer a concession of Y." Then your partner, ideally, would say something like, "I appreciate your willingness to compromise, and I understand that X is important to you. Y is a good concession. I would be willing to concede Z." Only less like they swallowed a textbook.
A compromise on the holiday issue, of course, would be spending this $holiday with your family, and next with theirs. We Americans are fortunate in that we have two major holidays within a couple of months of each other, so you could spend Thanksgiving with her family and Yule with yours, or Thanksgiving with your family and order Chinese on Christmas, or you could spend Christmas with your family and she could spend it with hers, and postpone the discussion for another year. OR if your partner wants to spend a holiday with "just you," you could pick another day to celebrate. I'm spending Christmas in Las Vegas with my mom, so
finch and I are celebrating Epiphany this year.Capitulation
Capitulation is, quite simply, letting one person's preference stand. This is not the recommended approach to negotiating a relationship in general, but if it's really important to your partner, and you're willing to give them what they want, you can occasionally do this. Just make sure that you're not the only one giving all the time.
Kids are a big issue to use as an example for this, but if it's a situation where your partner has dreamed about being a parent for their entire life, and you never really thought about having kids, but you don't hate the idea of it, then capitulation might be an acceptable thing to do. Within a capitulation, the person getting their way could offer concessions to make the victory less painful for the other person - for example, waiting to have children until you've finished school, or you've saved up a specific amount of money, or you've bought a house. However, make sure the concession isn't open-ended. When I was married, I did plan on having children, but he "wasn't ready yet." I said was willing to wait until he was ready - but that day never came. His unwillingness to put concrete limits on my concession was one of the things that doomed our relationship. So if you're waiting to finish school, make sure you stay on track to graduate! If you're saving money, make sure that savings plan is a priority (or you give each other a time limit). If you're buying a house first, decide when that's going to happen.
If you are capitulating, there are a few things that need to be handled to make sure it's a graceful "surrender." First of all, make sure that you're willing to do it. Don't capitulate because you're tired and you don't want to have this argument (again), if you're going to be resentful. When your toddler gets kicked out of preschool for fighting, you don't get to say, "Well, I never wanted to have kids in the first place!" With capitulation, you've forfeited the right to "I told you so." Second of all, if you're the one who is being capitulated to, be a gracious winner. Please save your victory dances for later, behind a closed door where your partner can't see them. Also, if your partner has capitulated to you, make sure you repay the favor next time. You can also be extra-nice to them! Take them out to dinner, buy them flowers (or a video game, or Belgian chocolate, or whatever); do the special little things that make them feel loved - make sure that they know how much you appreciate what they've done, and make the experience pleasant enough that they're willing to do it again.
Closure
You've hit that brick wall, and you can't capitulate and they won't compromise (or vice versa). You're standing on completely opposite sides of a gap that feels like it's the size of the Grand Canyon. Every time you have a fight, you have a secondary fight because you need space to calm down and think and they need to be comforted and reassured that you still love them. You've tried everything, and you can't reach a compromise and neither of you is willing to capitulate. Maybe you've even tried counseling, but it comes down to a basic truth: this problem just isn't going to get solved.
If you can't live with the problem, this is the point where you start figuring out the most efficient way to cut your losses, you divide things up with consideration and courtesy, and you go your separate ways. Because a major issue that can't be resolved is not going to magically go away, and it isn't going to fix itself. Changing the way you process an emotion is a long, difficult task, and so long as the coping mechanisms you've developed to handle your anger or distress aren't causing direct harm to yourself or others, then it's probably not going to change.
"But Amber," you protest, "this is the love of my life!"
No, it isn't. For one thing, there is no single "love of your life;" that's a myth perpetuated by
One of the communication problems I had with the ex would happen when I disagreed with her about some topic, and I would engage in what I considered to be a perfectly reasonable discussion about it, and she'd demand why I was fighting with her. Or being mean to her. As far as I was concerned, I wasn't doing either, and it always startled me when she described our discussion as a "fight." We would end up having a fight about whether we were fighting. The ways in which we communicated were not compatible. The only good solution was to end the relationship and look for closure. And now, armed with that experience and the resulting knowledge about myself, I know I need to be in a relationship with someone who won't mistake intellectual debate for emotional disagreement.
It's possible to have a functioning relationship with an unresolved difference, but not if it's a difference that you trip over regularly, and not if it's one you can't come to a compromise on. If your partner's religious and you're not, and you spend Sunday mornings in bed while he goes to church, that's a perfectly fine compromise - until he decides that it means that you're going to hell if you don't come too. A person who wants to be a parent and a person who's childfree can date, but they probably shouldn't get married. And a person who needs to hear about what they're partner is thinking all the time shouldn't date Squall Leonhart.
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Date: 2010-12-15 04:35 pm (UTC)From:I have always been incredibly bad at this. The reason I give in is that I can't take it anymore, over and over again. I've had this problem in other relationships, and I know it's something I just plain need to stop doing. :|
" With capitulation, you've forfeited the right to "I told you so."
I am also bad at this, probably because of the reasons I capitulate in the first place.
I'm also kind of of the belief that I am not 100% sure how to have a healthy relationship. We have spent almost a decade now in relationships that turned unhealthy, and…now I'm not sure how to interact properly, I guess? I still believe that I can learn. Eventually.
I'm trying, at any rate.
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Date: 2010-12-15 05:37 pm (UTC)From:and then they rant about how you never let them win an argument and you wonder what universe they're living in and that you'd really like to move there. In that case, "gracious capitulation" is just being a doormat. That's also why I suggested appropriate things to do when your partner has capitulated, to make sure that the resentment doesn't build because you know you're appreciated.I'm certainly feeling out the whole "healthy relationship" thing, because I've certainly never had one before
On the other hand, from what I've seen, every one of your relationships is a little better than the previous one. Yes, Silver left a pretty damned low benchmark, but there are PLENTY of people who go from one physically abusive relationship to another, making exactly the same sorts of mistakes. You're at least learning different kinds of unhealthy each time.
Jack and I have discussed, on more than one occasion, how we don't think either of us could have managed a relationship with someone who hadn't been through Hurricane Jen, because nobody else could understand. "Thank you for being sane and not overreacting to this ridiculously minor thing" should not be something you say to your partner on a regular basis out of sheer unadulterated relief that you can say and do things without them going completely overboard - but we do. Also "thank you for acknowledging my needs," and "thank you for making my desires a priority."
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Date: 2010-12-15 06:17 pm (UTC)From:But it's just...things do not always work out, and blah blah blah you know the story here.
I have a healthy relationship with my mom, though we didn't always. My mom is very honestly even trying to accept that I came out as trans, even! So at least I understand how that works, and maybe I can apply it to other relationships as well? idk. I hope so.
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Date: 2010-12-15 11:47 pm (UTC)From:*snickerfit*
That is a pretty apt description. ^^;;;
"Thank you for being sane and not overreacting to this ridiculously minor thing" should not be something you say to your partner on a regular basis out of sheer unadulterated relief that you can say and do things without them going completely overboard.
Amen.
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Date: 2010-12-15 09:01 pm (UTC)From:Or Batman.
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Date: 2010-12-15 11:50 pm (UTC)From:I am figuring out that while it is important for me to be correct about things, it is also important for me to feel like my opinion is being listened to and considered even if the person I'm talking to will ultimately reject it as incorrect or simply uninteresting.
I have recently discovered that being "right" and not being snubbed outright for having X opinion are NOT, in fact, the same thing.
I...had a point. It wandered off. This was supposed to tie in to what you said but um...I lost the pieces. --;
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